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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2015.03.17 02:53:09 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:1) The point of a killright is to exact retribution on a criminal;
2) Criminals are defined by the rulesof the space in which their activities are illegal;
(as illustrated by their irrelevance in null and enforcement only by CONCORD)
3) It is the state, CONCORD, which ultimately grants these rights;
As such
Killrights should belong to CONCORD
No, CONCORD does not grant these rights.
They are granted under the Crimewatch mechanics and apply just as much in lowsec, outside CONCORD activity, as they do in highsec. I can activate a killright in lowsec for example and then not be subject to sentry gun response.
So killrights granted to the player is exactly the right place for them.
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Posted - 2015.03.17 07:02:20 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:BoBoZoBo wrote:
Killrights should belong to CONCORD
No, CONCORD does not grant these rights. OK, so who shows up if you kill a pilot without one?
In lowsec? No one, other than other players perhaps.
In highsec, there are a range of consequences including inability to warp, auto abandon of wrecks, instantly engageable by other players and Concord.
Concord respond to a criminal GCC in highsec, but killrights have a broader use than highsec only and there are more consequences for a criminal GCC than only Concord in highsec.
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Posted - 2015.03.17 07:16:25 -
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PhantomMajor wrote:Generally law abiding people are free to roam as they like IRL so it should be the same in eve. But to answer your question there is a mechanism in place to do that. ..can't remember it's name but it involves a group of people sitting around a gate as if they were on a camping trip :-)
Comparing Eve to RL is a laughable argument.
Not only from the game perspective, but from the lore perspective too. It's a game set 20,000 years in the future in a totally different part of the universe that underwent a near extinction event and where law abiding people own slaves, where law abiding people can buy the face of someone else which is then cut off them, where they commit torture at a whole of race level, etc., etc. etc.
Our RL standards are incomparable to the standards of society in New Eden.
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Posted - 2015.03.17 20:03:55 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:Holy sh!t buddy - get the fu@king sand out of your vagina. I can see life is frustrating you, but you need to tone back the level of @sshatedness. Train some other skills.
Language aside, his comment wasn't wrong though.
It's worth understanding the mechanics before making statements, especially in the forum where a lot of people know the mechanics very well.
Expensive killrights don't override cheaper ones.
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Posted - 2015.03.17 20:26:49 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:He is not wrong, just an @sshole. My mistake was a matter of phrasing and clarification. You managed to correct it in a way I would expect of someone who interacts with more than his internet spaceships all day. Thank you.
We have different experiences. I regard Hengle as a friend and not an @******* at all. I don't think he has sand in his vagina either.
But then, I don't see you as stupid or acting that way either.
Maybe language both ways could be different, even when you don't start it.
Everyone learns the mechanics in different ways. I know I've learnt a heap of them in the forum and made many posts that were later corrected, which is perfectly fine.
My view on this thread is the OP, attempting to be effectively a bounty hunter has become frustrated with the killright system. My perspective is it isn't so much a problem with killrights, but with bounty hunting as a profession. There really aren't mechanics that support the profession, though Eve is the perfect environment for it. I wish the profession had more love from CCP so more players could take it up as a sustainable career.
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